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Info-Mac Digest Tue, 05 Aug 97 Volume 15 : Issue 162
Today's Topics:
[*] TidBITS#391/04-Aug-97
(Q) danish characters
9500 Cache?
[A] OS 8, 7100, internal CD
[Q2] OS 8, 7100, Stuffit Deluxe
[Q] Close applications without open windows?
[Q] Defeating junk email
[Q] Defeating junk email
[Q] Defeating junk email
[Q] Laser Printer for small pages
comment Re: submissions
mailing list software <Q>
NoEject 1.1 breaks under 7.6.1: update available?
Re submissions
regarding OS* (OS8 on 7100/80av)
Second, Happier Rhapsody Thoughts!
Spirit CD?
Summary - Monitoring Software
System 8 and HP DW600
V15-#158: Desk chair recmd
Windows -> Mac TrueType
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:53:44 -0700
From: TidBITS Editors <editors@tidbits.com>
Subject: [*] TidBITS#391/04-Aug-97
TidBITS#391/04-Aug-97
Wondering how to manage your money at Macworld Expo? This week's issue
brings you shopping advice and a look at Expo purchases we've made in the
past. This week we also introduce a new sponsor - Hitachi and its new MPEG
camera - and note news of a merger between top Macintosh magazines.
Finally, Tonya wraps up her seven part article about Web publishing
software with a look at Microsoft FrontPage and NetObjects Fusion.
Topics:
MailBITS/04-Aug-97
New TidBITS Sponsor Releases Versatile MPEG Camera
Macworld Expo: Planning for a Shopping Frenzy
Spinning the Web Part 7: FrontPage, Fusion, and Final Thoughts
<http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-391.html>
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:20:03 -0600
From: larscj@vip.cybercity.dk (Lars C. Jensen)
Subject: (Q) danish characters
Dear MacFellows
This question might have been up before, it might be mac-basics, but
it=B4s really a problem to me, so I=B4ll take the chance of bother you abou=
t
it anyway.
Almost anytime I receive an e-mail all the charaters are right including
the three last of the danish alphabet. But when I send an e-mail or a
reply to a newsgroup, then theese three last letters, which are special
for the danish alphabet, end up in strange signs, numbers and other
gibberrish when it arrives at someones mailbox - also when I send from
one danish adress to another. What=B4s wrong?
Thanks for any help
Lars
=20
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Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:38:06 GMT
From: kayners@htan.org (Stephen J. Kayner)
Subject: 9500 Cache?
I recently bought a cheap 9500/132 that I plan to upgrade and use for Rhapsody
DR. In the course of investigating my options for upgrades I read a tech
piece on the Sonnet website that says a 50 MHz bus speed requires an L2 cache
of 20 ns or faster.
I had the logic board out for RAM installation and looked all over it for the
soldered L2 cache, hoping to determine the refresh rate of the chips. I found
two sets of two chips that looked like they might be candidates, but the last
numbers (usually indicating refresh rates on memory chips) were 11 on the one
and 7 on the others. This didn't clear anything up for me.
I also checked all the 9500-related articles on the Apple Tech Info Library,
and didn't find anything about the location or refresh rate of the L2 cache
on the 9500.
Does anyone out there in InfoMac land have any further information or
pointers thereto?
Thanks
-=Steve=-
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:08:03 -0600
From: "Wayne C. Morris" <morris@gatewest.net>
Subject: [A] OS 8, 7100, internal CD
Dan Lallouz <danl@six.net> wrote:
>1. The one that bugs me the most is in order to listen to an audio CD, one
>usually must choose Internal CD as the input source for sound In (in the
>monitors and sound control panel). After doing so and getting the CD to
>play music, every time the mac restarts (or starts up), I must manually go
>and choose Internal CD again - it keeps defaulting to Built-in microphone.
It's probably storing the setting on the hard disk, but it's getting lost
due to the crashes. During the restart the MacOS sees that it wasn't
properly shut down, and it cleans up anything on the hard disk that it
considers to be unreliable data -- i.e., anything that it hadn't had a
chance to tag as "completed" before the crash. The result is that it
restores the previous settings.
Try changing the setting, close the control panel, then restart your Mac
BEFORE you try playing any CDs. This probably won't stop the crashing, but
it should at least make the input source setting permanent.
As for the crashes, have you tried removing any non-Apple system extensions
or control panels, to see whether there's a conflict? Ram Doubler in
particular seems to cause problems with every new version of the MacOS.
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Date: 4 Aug 97 17:44:35 -0500
From: "Chris Gervais" <cg601@channel1.com>
Subject: [Q2] OS 8, 7100, Stuffit Deluxe
Dan,
>I have a Mac 7100/80 with an Apple 1710AV monitor (it has built-in
>speakers, hence AV). I made a CLEAN install of OS 8 (actually, I went for
>the overkill and fully reformatted that partition first) and have found a
>couple of problems:
>
>2. I have found that Stuffit Deluxe 4 seems to be extremely buggy with OS
>8. Has anyone else replicated this?
The StuffIt family of products should work OK with OS8 (I've been using OS8
for over 6 months) but there are some bugs. Supposedly Aladdin will be
updating StuffIt to version 4.5 in the very near future and will probably
announce it at MacWorld.
Since you're on a 7100 with a 1710av monitor, you should cruise over to
<http://www.info.apple.com> and pick up the latest AppleVision software
(version 1.5.3 I think). There were a couple of bugs that didn't get rolled
into MacOS 8 that affected the Display Manager on NuBus PowerMacs and may
eliminate any problems you're having.
Also, there have been many cases of weird Ofoto behavior. You should post a
message to Apple's support boards. I don't know if Apple will update the
s/w since a company called LightSource actually wrote it and they just
bundled it with the OneScanner series.
Hope this helps!
Chris G.
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:44:01 +0100
From: "Peter Smith, Analysis" <analysis@sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: [Q] Close applications without open windows?
OK, folks, you know what it is like -- I visit the Application menu and
find that I've seven or eight applications still unnecessarily open.
What I want is to hit a single key combination (using QuicKeys or
something??) which will Close All Applications Without Open Windows. But I
can't find an obvoius way of doing this (am I being dim? do I just wait for
OS8 to hit the UK?? is there some simple solution???).
Peter Smith
Univ. of Sheffield
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:27:47 -0700
From: "Adam C. Engst" <ace@tidbits.com>
Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email
At 9:48 PM -0400 8/2/97, Michael G. Schabert wrote:
>>[Hope that the FTC and/or Congress apply the same rules to junk email
>>that currently apply to junk FAX.]
>
>I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages
>cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also
>cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper
>costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete.
So what's your time worth? I consider mine to be worth quite a lot. And,
keep in mind that many people do pay per byte or by time for their Internet
access. Most may not, but enough still do that it's a real cost.
cheers... -Adam
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:34:30 -0400
From: "Michael G. Schabert" <mikeride@prez.buf.servtech.com>
Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email
Christian F Buser <cbuser@access.ch> wrote:
>
>"Michael G. Schabert" <mikeride@prez.buf.servtech.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages
>> cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also
>> cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper
>> costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete.
>
>This is probably only true if
>
>(1) you read your email in the office where the employer pays for the
> connection, or
>
>(2) in the USA where local phone calls are free.
>
>In any other area of the globe, we have to pay hefty charges for using
>the phone lines to connect to the ISP. Therefore, I see no difference
>between a fax message and an email message.
Also, Charles Kelly <ckelly@ge.aitech.ac.jp> wrote:
>This is not totally true.
>It may be in the USA, but here we pay per minute that we are on the phone
>line even for local calls.
>
>I know many providers use to charge by the minute also, I'm not sure if
>that is still true, but my friend in California last March was on that kind
>of program.
>
>Recently, I've been getting an average of 2 to 3 junk emails a day
That part of my message was in response to someone's wish that the United
States Congress outlaw Email SPAM. You two are saying that it's just
outside the USA that has the cost problem. As far as your friend in
California, to be brutally honest, there's just 2 reasons to be paying a
provider per-minute:
1) ignorance
2) You use the service so little that your monthly charges are less than a
regular unlimited account.
Unlimited/untimed accounts can be had in every area code in the USA for
less than $20/month. Also, as you undoubtedly read, I'm not pro-SPAM, & I
even offered a solution that would save the user from even having to
download the message from his ISP. I just don't think that it should be up
to the US Congress to try to stop it.
Mike
Bikers don't *DO* taglines.
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:52:34 +0200
From: Christian F Buser <cbuser@access.ch>
Subject: [Q] Defeating junk email
"Michael G. Schabert" <mikeride@prez.buf.servtech.com> wrote:
> I disagree with this, and I doubt that it will ever be so. Fax messages
> cost a business $$ because of the way business lines are billed. They also
> cost because they tie up valuable phone lines. They also cost in paper
> costs. Email only costs in time to read/delete.
This is probably only true if
(1) you read your email in the office where the employer pays for the
connection, or
(2) in the USA where local phone calls are free.
In any other area of the globe, we have to pay hefty charges for using
the phone lines to connect to the ISP. Therefore, I see no difference
between a fax message and an email message.
Best wishes, Christian.
--
Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 426 64 86
Obere Kirchzelg 12, CH-5430 Wettingen (Switzerland)
Look at <http://www.access.ch/mus/members/cbuser>
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:24:53 -0800
From: kee nethery <kee@kagi.com>
Subject: [Q] Laser Printer for small pages
I am trying to find a laser printer that can pull from a paper tray and
print onto paper that is 4.25 inches by 6 inches. Was hoping that the HP5si
would do it but it's minimum paper length is longer than 6 inches.
Do you know of a laser printer that can feed 4.25 x 6 inch paper? Please
let me know.
4.5 x 6 are the maximum dimensions for a USA postcard, before the postage
gets increased to the normal first class rates.
I am currently printing postcards on an HP 600 DeskWriter onto 8.5 x 11
pages and then manually cutting them into four postcards (4.25 x 5.5).
Would really like to paper tray feed single pre-cut postcards to a printer
but haven't found a laser printer that can take short paper. The HP 600 can
paper tray single feed postcards but the paper tray doesn't hold that many
postcards AND the ink cartridges are somewhat expensive given the number of
postcards we print.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Kee Nethery
Kagi
kee@kagi.com
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 10:21:50 -0700
From: "Brian Wessels"<bwessels@microtest.com>
Subject: comment Re: submissions
Yes, Kaleidoscope has moved from interesting to overkill.
Creating new typefaces with Fontographer seemed to be the Mac hobbyist craze
before designing K-scope color schemes. Remember the flood of new display fonts
that kept coming for a few years? At least those were useful.
Folks, don't expect to make your fortune designing a color scheme and demanding
bucks for it. We've got at least 1000 alternatives to yours by now, and we can
always design our own. Personally I think the best alternative might be to get
OS 8 and the Appearance Manager, and skip Kaleidoscope. One less thing to create
conflicts.
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:27:46 +0900
From: Tito Poza and Shari Custer-Poza <poza@gol.com>
Subject: mailing list software <Q>
I'm interested in running a small (interest-based) mailing list and would
like to know if there is any software available specifically for Mac users.
I looked into list-serve software but it is only available for a variety of
other platforms.
I know that recently a commercial package was talked about on the
Evangelist but I forgot the name of it. However, since I'm thinking of
running a small (non-commercial) list, I'd rather not pay a lot for the
software. ($100 or so)
Any advice from those running mailing lists would be appreciated as well
since I really have no idea how to do this.
Thanks,
Shari
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:00:04 -0800
From: Mike Blackwell <wcs@pnn.com>
Subject: NoEject 1.1 breaks under 7.6.1: update available?
NoEject 1.1, which prevents your CD-ROMs and other removable media from
being ejected on restart and shutdown, does not seem to work under System
7.6.1, though it was fine under 7.5.3. The last time I checked the Info-Mac
archive, NoEject 1.1 was still current. Are there any updates planned for
this, or alternative utilities which do the same thing?
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 09:09:46 BST
From: Ian.Goldby@powertech.co.uk
Subject: Re submissions
>Am I the only one who is finding the overwhelming number of desktop
>pictures / kaliedoscope schemes TIRESOME??!!! Maybe if there was a
>separate list for such submissions... It seems there are hardly any
>shareware submissions anymore...
>
>Just a thought...
>
>(g. stripling) gstripling@mindspring.com
No, you're not the only one. I don't mind people posting these things, but I
wish they would give proper concise abstracts. Saying something is another
Kaleidascope scheme doesn't give very much useful information. Waxing
lyrical about how beautiful it looks is equally unhelpful.
While I'm in gripe mode, here are my favourites:
1) Omitting to say what the shareware fee is.
2) Omitting to say what the program actually does. (This is unbelievably
common!)
3) Forgetting to give the system requirements. (e.g. PowerMac only?)
4) Pages of hype. (E.g. "Have you ever been irritated by the Mac's lack of a
telepathy feature? And how many times have you wanted to open your favourite
application but been too lazy to reach for the mouse? Well, what you need is
MacESP, the productivity enhancer from Clairvoyant Software...")
5) Turgid details of the development history. I'm not interested. What does
it do *now*?
There's probably more. How about if the moderators designed a standard form
for use when submitting abstracts?
BTW, I think info-mac is a brilliant service to the Mac community, and want
to say thanks to all those who help in whatever way to run it.
Ian.
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:56:14 -0700
From: David Snow <djsnow@deltanet.com>
Subject: regarding OS* (OS8 on 7100/80av)
>Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:41:23 -0600
>From: Neil Fiertel <nfiertel@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
>Subject:
>
> regarding OS*
>
> I thought I would boot up fropm the OS8 CD ... on my 7100 av 80
>... crashed resoundingly with a bomb ...
>Has anyone had similar experiences?
I'm running OS8 on my 7100/80av right now. The CD booted fine for me, but
then again, (after a full backup) I did a low-level reformat and
initialized the disk before I instaled it. It's awfully hard for a CD to
conflict with anything on an empty disk!
I did have a couple funky installation problems, though: when I reformatted
the disk, I used FWB Toolkit personal edition, and the OS8 installer would
consistently hang while 'decompressing the Finder' -- that kept on
happening until I re-initialized the disk with the Apple disk setup. The
installer doesn't seem to like FWB drivers. <sigh> I didn't need all those
partition-thingys anyway.
Also, when I started plugging my old extensions back into the new system, I
booted with the Wacom tablet driver enabled and no tablet plugged in, and I
got a bus error that required me to boot from the OS8 install disk to fix
(for some reason, the spacebar wasn't pulling up the Extensions Manager.
Whatever.)
----
>Am I just an unlucky camper having
>been eaten by a rabid bear... er..OS or is this just one of those things?
>Please Email me with observations if you can...thanks in advance.
I would do a complete data back-up & re-initialize the disk before putting
this OS in, down to drivers and low-level formatting... I know, it'll take
a while, but it's worth it. This OS is _visibly_ faster, stable as a rock,
and has a lot of useful interface enhancements. I really dig it, and I hope
you have some better luck installing it.
Take care...
David, aka Snowman http://users.deltanet.com/~djsnow/
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"A critic is someone who knows the way but can't drive the car."
-- paraphrased from Kenneth Tynan
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 04:41:14 +0200
From: Alex Fern�ndez <alexfer@cibeles.com>
Subject: Second, Happier Rhapsody Thoughts!
> When I first heard that Windows PCs would be able to run Rhapsody apps
> if they had the Rhapsody-for-Windows APIs installed, I shrugged -- who
> amongst Windows users were going to go out and acquire the Rhapsody API
> software? And what serious commercial software vendors were going to
> write their software and risk alienating their Windows customers by
> putting up a message on screen that said "Sorry, in order to run this
> software, you must first install the Rhapsody APIs, a set of Apple ex-
> tensions that will take up some storage space, some RAM, and some pro-
> cessor cycles in order to allow you to run what is basically a Mac app
> on your Windows PC."
>=20
> But then the other day I was poking around in Extensions Manager and
> noted once again (definitely not for the first time!) how much CRUD the
> installer for Microsoft Excel had dumped into my system folder. Must b=
e
> a dozen of 'em, Visual Basic for Apps, OLE, Microsoft this Microsoft th=
at.
Basically, Excel and Word install the whole inefficient bloated Windows
'95 API on your System. The Windows code then needs only minor
modifications to run. That's what Microsoft thinks "cross-platform
development" is.
> Suddenly it struck me -- hey, people who write their Windows apps using
> Rhapsody / Objective C development kits aren't going to set their soft-
> ware so that it balks when it sees a lack of Rhapsody APIs on a Windows
> PC, nor will they ASK, they'll just install the damn things, won't they=
?
> Why worry about processor cycles and whatnot? No one else does! Hey,
> if your Pentium 90 can no longer run modern software, time to upgrade.
> The Rhapsody APIs will be on the installation CDROMS and diskettes, in
> case the PC in question doesn't already have them.
Yes, developers can distribute that API for free, in the form of a set
of libraries. You'll ask, 'Is that what Apple thinks "cross-platform
development" is?' Wait!, the situation seems to be a bit better. The
Rhapsody-on-Windows layer should be quite more efficient than the
Windows-on-Mac layer that Microsoft (ab)uses. Why? It's a matter of
complexity: Rhapsody will be much more streamlined than Windows, and so
easier to "emulate" -- shouldn't be slower than a Visual Basic app, for
example.
Formally, it's similar to the PowerPC-Intel situation. The Intel
processors have a very messy code, while PowerPCs have much simpler
instructions (that's why they're called RISC -- Reduced Instruction Set
processors). They are therefore very good at emulating Pentiums and
68k's (in jargon, both called CISC -- Complex Instruction Set
processors). [Sorry, cannot remember right now what the final C in CISC
stands for -- another neuron must have popped away.] That's why we can
use relatively fast PC software emulators like SoftWindows or Virtual
PC, while those shiny Pentiums would go slow as molasses running PowerPC
code.
And, if the user wants the applications to go *real* fast, they can
always purchase Rhapsody for Intel and just run the *real* thing.
> Suddenly this looks pretty cool. Hey, your machines can run our apps!
> Sure, your machine can also run apps not written for Rhapsody but they
> are harder to write, the programmers like this object-based programming
> and then they can sell their apps to us, too. And to think we were
> starting to worry that no one would develop for the Mac any more!
One more thing: the Rhapsody API will also be available for the MacOS
(that is, a Rhapsody-over-Mac layer). In case you won't install
Rhapsody, you'll still be able to run the latest applications.
Looks like a win-win situation!
Alex Fern=E1ndez <alexfer@cibeles.com>
PSA
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:20:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Byron C. Mayes" <bcmayes@panix.com>
Subject: Spirit CD?
Hello.
I am trying to locate Spirit Technologies, makers of the CD driver software
"Red Line CD" that came bundled with my store brand CD drive a few years
back. They used to have a BBS but that number no longer works nor does their
actual phone number. Their documentation oddly enough lists no e-mail and no
city (thus, no snail mail), I can find no web site for them using standard
search engines, and they have no forum on CompuServe.
The manual for CD-ROM Toolkit lists Spirit(tm)CD as the driver for drives
made by a manufacturer called "OAC" but they list no information about them,
including what OAC is an abbreviation of. There is no OAC website (at least
not one that's related to Mac CD-ROM drives) that I could locate via
standard search engines either.
I am looking for information about/from this company or its parent
specifically, so suggestions of other CD driver software will not be
helpful. If anyone knows even the most seemingly insignificant detail, I
will greately appreciate you help.
Thank you,
Byron C. Mayes
bcmayes@panix.com
http://www.panix.com/~bcmayes
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:47:55 CDT
From: "Tom Kirke (312) 413-5539" <U33515@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Summary - Monitoring Software
Howdy!
I had asked about software that would require passwords and log machine
use by accounts. Two products seem to dominate this area:
_At Ease f/ Workgroups_ by Apple.
_Fileguard_ by ASD Software.
Thanks to all even if you just thought about the problem,
tom
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 23:04:13 -0400
From: Richard Friedman <rfriedma@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: System 8 and HP DW600
I recently installed system 8 and now can't use my HP DW 600. I get
system errors and a message which says my color picture only is B&W
(photoshop).
I installed the latest drivers 9.2.2 and the GX driver which doesn't show
in my chooser window.
Any suggestions?
rich
RFRIEDMA@thunder.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James G (Jim) Hardwick CPA" <hardwick@ordinary.com>
Subject: V15-#158: Desk chair recmd
97.08.04 1418 edt
I highly recommend the Herman Miller swivel chair with arms. Be sure to
get a quality wool covering, it lasts forever! My 2 cost about $500 each
several years ago, not cheap. Cheap will rarely be good for your back,
etc. Ask an orthopaedic surgeon for his/her recmds, if you are acquainted
with one.
IMHO, the best way to avoid back & other troubles is to avoid sitting for
too long at a time in one position and to get some real exercise involving
more than your fingers & your mind (ie, computer usage).
jh
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Date: 4 Aug 97 16:16:13 -0500
From: "Chris Gervais" <cg601@channel1.com>
Subject: Windows -> Mac TrueType
Does anyone out there know of a shareware/freeware program to convert
Windows TrueType fonts to MacOS TrueType format? I remember seeing
something a long time ago, but the name of app has eluded me.
TIA,
Chris
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